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I’m not nearly that generous with my opinion.

An alternate read is that the entrenched leaders want to slow down development of competitors.

If Dario or Sam A wants to slow down frontier model development because they believe there is an existential threat, they already have the power to do that single handedly.

If I discovered that I had accidentally invented a doomsday machine, I wouldn’t be furiously providing access to anyone with a credit card.


Honestly, I feel like browsers should handle this.

Sites are always going to do malicious shit. The browser should know that when I hit the back button I want to go to the place I clicked that brought me here. SPAs have severely perverted this simple idea, but I’m sure browser devs can figure it out.


It was really just a bad design decision that was exploited. It should be deprecated and removed. Allow it on intranets or some legacy website specific setting, but it should be blocked on the public internet.

More tech people need to go places.

I was living in the eastern Caribbean ten years ago (a place that is not particularly poor), and the number of web services that could not handle a slow or unreliable connection was kind of shocking. Netflix was actually pretty impressive, they were fine to about 500kb/s with a lot of dropped packets. Below that, they were slow, but by no means unreliable. Most other sites would shit the bed on a similar connection.

Starlink has been an absolute godsend for my friends that are still down there.


At that tier you buy minimum coverage liability. That coverage is pretty cheap, but even so, many choose to risk it.

Not a lawyer, but the other responder definitely isn’t either.

Whether intent is required is down to how the law is written. For many offenses “strict liability” applies, where intent is not required, they only have to prove you did it, not what your intent was.

DUI is typically a strict liability crime. They don’t need to prove that you intended to drive drunk, only that you did drive drunk.


A strict liability crime is something of an oxymoron. Crimes always require intent, the mens rea element. The question is intent for what. If somebody drugged you without your knowledge and you were charged with a DUI, you would have a defense--no intent to become intoxicated.

The strict liability means once you choose to become intoxicated, you're liable for driving intoxicated, even if in some other context your intoxication would mean you couldn't form the requisite intent for something, e.g. have sex.

If there's too much distance between the act you intend to do and the strict liability acts that complete the crime, then the crime would be considered unconstitutional.

Criminal law in common law systems emerged from tort law, so there are many parallels, including the notion of strict liability. (Thus the old axiom about crimes being an offense to the king, specifically an injury to the peaceful society he's ostensibly trying to maintain.) But criminal law has a moral dimension that is absent or muted in other areas, so strict liability could never be as expansive as in tort law or regulatory law.


That is just not true. You can be held liable for DUI even if you did not intend to become intoxicated (though this may vary somewhat state-by-state). Speeding is another example - you do not need to intend to go over the speed limit, it just matters that you did it. The only possible exception would be duress or necessity, but those are affirmative defenses, which are separate from the elements of the offense.

As a summary of American criminal jurisprudence I'm willing to stand by what I said. But I'll admit some caveats:

1) Traffic-related laws straddle the boundary between civil/regulatory law and criminal law. Someone losing their driver's license or even paying a penalty for involuntary intoxication would still be consonant with criminal law principles. However, a criminal punishment would be aberrational. (Distinction between a civil penalty and criminal punishment usually turns on whether there's a moral purpose to the sanction. Jail time is usually but not always--cf civil contempt incarceration--considered a criminal punishment.)

2) Background principles notwithstanding, in theory a state could completely dispense with any morality-colored mens rea requirement, just as the UK Parliament could do whatever it wants to. The backstop would be Federal constitutional [substantive] due process guarantees.

2.a) Some quick searching shows that Texas nominally seems to have dispensed with this requirement for DWIs. See e.g. Farmer v. State, 411 S.W.3d 901 (Tex. Crim. App. 2013) and some discussion at https://www.ncdd.com/top-dui-attorneys-blog/involuntary-into... Without having fully read the case law, though (but some summaries of that and other cases), I suspect there might be some nuance that has allowed this to stand without a full majority accepting that the traditional principles have been completely thrown out. For example, even if someone didn't know they were taking Ambien, the simple act of voluntarily taking any pill without careful examination can be construed as a sufficiently culpable act. Still, it's a pretty big caveat.

2.b) Statutory rape is a classic strict liability crime. But most states will permit a mistake-of-fact defense. Some don't, but even there there's sometimes some nuance and rationalizing going on and the literature is crazy complex. Because this is a "think of the children" situation, most case will just have horrible facts.

3) A few states have nominally dispensed with insanity defenses, though Kansas stands out the most. SCOTUS upheld Kansas' law in Kahler v. Kansas, but in the majority opinion Kagan characterized the Kansas law as not abolishing the insanity defense but rather changing its shape, and she showed that there still remained elements for which a defendant could plea lacked the requisite intent. Also, regarding the Federal constitution acting as backstop, she reiterated that SCOTUS was reticent to establish strict metes & bounds about the general principles of criminal law that states could not stray beyond. Nonetheless, those principles clearly exist.

I had some other points, but now I've forgotten them. Also, minor pedantic point, but like "strict liability crime", some scholars consider "affirmative defense" to be oxymoronic. As a substantive matter there's not a strong distinction. It's a procedural distinction about initial burdens of proof, but in most if not all cases you can interpret an affirmative defense as simply placing a very weak initial burden on the prosecution that is implicitly met.

(Note, I'm not a practicing lawyer but do have a law degree.)

EDIT: Ah, point 4) Intent was a big sticking point in the Obamacare penalty case, Sebelius. Both the dissent and Roberts (the swing vote) reiterated that you couldn't have a penalty or punishment for doing nothing. (IIRC some of the majority opinions also echoed this.) That is, even in a civil context there has some to be some voluntary act, however remote, that puts someone in a position to be subject to legal liability. But as Roberts pointed out, the taxing power is the great exception, where you can be required to do something merely for existing, and thus penalized for not doing nothing properly. (And Roberts was the critical swing vote.)

EDIT EDIT: Also see, "Solving General and Specific Intent: A Mapping on the MPC and Applications to the Categorical Approach", https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4754469 In describing the distinctions between general and specific intent in criminal law, it also delves into the definitions of strict criminal liability (which can be construed as either very similar or identical to general intent crimes), and notes that SCOTUS generally inserts an implicit mens rea requirement when considering strict liability criminal statutes.


> A strict liability crime is something of an oxymoron. Crimes always require intent, the mens rea element.

This is wrong.

In criminal and civil law, strict liability is a standard of liability under which a person is legally responsible for the consequences flowing from an activity even in the absence of fault or criminal intent on the part of the defendant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strict_liability


Are you a lawyer?

Fairly certain that the entire point of strict liability is that mens rea is not required for certain crimes. As in, if I meant to travel at 70 and was instead doing 100 it doesn’t matter that I sincerely meant not to speed and did not know I was speeding, I can still be convicted even if the judge believes I had no intent.


The way we use mens rea in our legal system is more like "mind of the criminal," not outright literal intent.

Negligence can be "unintentional" but still land you in the realm of having a guilty criminal mind.

I find it to be a reasonable take. If you're accidentally going 100 in a 70 (which is a misdemeanor in california), you're not being a careful enough driver, and we deem that lack of care criminal.


> Negligence can be "unintentional" but still land you in the realm of having a guilty criminal mind.

That’s just another way of saying “not all crimes require a guilty mind” with extra steps


Strict liability literally is crimes that don't require a guilty mind.

That's different (sometimes) when, for example, you're found guilty of criminal negligence leading to someone being injured.

Prosecutors don't have to demonstrate that you intended for someone to get hurt for that, your mens rea is that you should have perceived the danger of what you were doing but didn't.

edit: reading your other comments in this thread, maybe I missed your point, in which case, whoosh.


> As in, if I meant to travel at 70 and was instead doing 100 it doesn’t matter that I sincerely meant not to speed and did not know I was speeding, I can still be convicted even if the judge believes I had no intent.

IANAL but from what I've looked up in the last there's at least willfulness that matters for these things. For example if you could prove that happened because your car accelerator pedal broke and you had no opportunity to react, I'm pretty sure you would not be guilty, strict liability or not.


At that point you are not so much "driving" as you are sitting in the driver's seat of a renegade vehicle.

There are exceptions usually for extraordinary events.

In New York there’s a concept of doing various things “in the furtherance of justice”. Judges have broad discretion to dismiss or reduce tickets.

Often it so happens that those reductions increase the city/towns share of the revenue.

In those cases, the judge may find that circumstances would make a traffic ticket unjust. But the standard of guilt is strict and clear cut.



> Crimes always require intent, the mens rea element.

LMAO “there’s no such thing as negligence” I type on my phone as my car plows through the doors of a Black Angus


Negligence, criminal or otherwise is very well defined in most legal systems.

I've never heard of anything even close to this.

Airlines in the US do not pressure pilots to avoid go arounds. Pilots in the US do not delegate life or death decisions to ops, especially since the FAA legally holds them accountable for that. All pilots are aware that they are responsible for the decision to go around or not.

Any airline found to be pressuring pilots to avoid go arounds would be in a world of pain with the FAA.

On cargo flights in particular timing and fuel usage are less critical than passenger flights, and a go around doesn't affect either much.

Pressure to avoid go arounds would also be incredibly counter productive since go arounds exist to preserve life and property. Pilots do go arounds to avoid costly incidents.

You are correct that the question is why they didn't do a go around, but I would bet a large sum of money that airline pressure to avoid go arounds was not a factor.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/miami-plane-crash-21-air-safety...

> The Amazon Prime Air Boeing 767 cargo plane that crashed off a Miami runway on Sunday, killing five people, was operated by a North Carolina company that has been accused by past employees of violating safety regulations, legal documents reveal.

There's a lot in the article, but this allegation is worth highlighting:

> Seuring's attorney, Michael Anello, told the judge that another 21 Air pilot, Johnny Salmonson, "was being pressured to fly in periods of time that were too short to comply with the proper amounts of rest, and that implicated safety. The layovers were too short."


Ahh, so the Amazon delivery contractor squeeze but the air cargo version, with the air cargo corporate entity shielding Amazon from liability.

We'll see if the NTSB mentions piss bottles in the cabin.

I don't really see how it's possible since the plane probably has a lavatory for the pilots.

Maybe those were taken out so that the plane was capable of carrying more packages.

It costs money to have a contractor service the lavatory waste tank after every flight.

Since the lavatory is not on the Minimum Equipment List, it would cost 30 minutes of paperwork to update the maintenance log and declare it inoperative.

Depends on how much of a psychopath the person doing the cost-benefit analysis is I suppose.


Cargo airplanes typically don't.

Notably, none of those allegations from the fired former chief(!) pilot actively suing the company while appealing his rejected OSHA case touch on in-flight procedures.

If any of those are true, it will be very bad for the carrier, but they are not related to any of the failures being reported on.


> ...but they are not related to any of the failures being reported on.

If pilots weren't being given enough rest time, as alleged, you don't believe that might affect decision-making in the cockpit?


Even if the pilots were getting their legally mandated rest, passenger pilots are held to a higher crew rest requirements because the lessons learned from Colgan Air only apply to passenger airlines. Even if that were enough rest the flight departed at what was likely their circadian low.

Get-there-itis is absolutely a thing. No big airline would be dumb enough to say it that stuff explicitly but the pressures still exist.

There have been accidents around the world where pilots were trying to save fuel, get off work at a normal time instead of 2 hours extra holding, not wanting to divert and not be home, try to get on the ground so they don’t go over their max hours for the day, etc.

Yes it’s counterproductive. *It happens*. External or internal, it happens.


Get-there-itis is - quite famously - a pilot's internal desire (note: written before your ninja edit).

Sure there have been plenty of incidents. Can you point to one in the US, with pilots flying big planes, that hasn't led to regulatory change?

Its worth pointing out that pilots are almost always paid by flight hour. In other words, they get paid more to go around.


The worst aviation accident ever had this as a major contributing factor, the KLM plane at Tenerife was almost near their maximum crew time so if they didn't take off soon they'd have to stay overnight.

That one did lead to major regulatory changes. It wasn't in the US though but there was an American plane involved (which was not to blame)


Yep, that 49 year old disaster led to major changes, which is why I’m dubious that corporate pressure was involved here.

Note: Both planes were American. One of the carriers was not. NTSB gets involved whenever it is a US carrier OR manufacturer, so they have a ton more data than just US carrier incidents.


There have already been crashes where one contributing factor was pressure to land and avoid any kind of delay - even if risky. Remember that pressure doesn’t need to be explicit. It can be the result of all kinds of factors - including physical. Maybe they were already late and pilots with fewer “on time” arrivals are lower in line for promotions. We already have stories from Amazon delivery drivers and it’s not insane to think some of that culture has leaked through to other aspects.

Is there any evidence of your theory?

Has timeliness based performance reviews ever been reported at any US carrier in the past half century?


And high levels of stress can lead people to break rules. People lose the cognitive faculties needed for compliance. Even things that person personally believes and agrees with.

We are talking about the same company that forces its employees to piss in bottles while driving to save time.

I'm no Amazon fan, but that was routine in trucking before Bezos was even born.

Similar to farmers working in the fields - they didn't walk all the way back to the farmhouse if they had to pee.


It's not their choice though, they have to. I wouldn't care much if they chose to.

They also have to work in the rain, and in the snow, and work extra hours before Christmas, and lift heavy boxes, and all sorts of other stuff goes with the turf when you're a trucker.

That I've heard, with the insane pace of work that Amazon tries to force 'em to maintain, 3,600,000 milliseconds per hour, the job would be very little better if they somehow had 5-star resort bathrooms folded into hyperspace inside their trucks.


Go arounds are not even very common (like 0.3% of landings).

Southwest airlines had a culture of turning around fast at the gate. So maybe no explicit policy but culture can drive unintended consequences and decisions.

Fast gate turnarounds have nothing to do with what happens in the cockpit. That affects the cleaning crews.

Take a look at Southwest's safety record. I believe they have 1 fatality due to an air incident in their history due to an uncontained engine failure that was not related to maintenance.


1 passenger fatality. They also have at least one ground fatality. (Still very impressive!)

Turnaround at a gate and a life-or-death go-around judgement are two entirely different operations governed by entirely different sections of the FAA.

Also this was Amazon, not Southwest.


I think the point being made is that time-pressure can come from a company's culture, not just its (unspoken) policies.

Southwest's had a few dramatic overruns by pilots overeager to get on the ground, notably at Burbank (no fatalities) and Midway (one death).

The same FAA that lets Boeing certify its own planes?

>Airlines in the US do not pressure pilots to avoid go arounds. Pilots in the US do not delegate life or death decisions to ops,

Construction companies in the US do not pressure employees to get shit done. Construction workers do not delegate the decisions to work in sketchy circumstances, especially since OSHA holds them accountable for all that.

See how silly that sounds?

They cook up the rules to be all compliant and whatnot and then everyone breaks them a little pretty often and in tasteful ways in order to actually get the job done. If you get caught or screw up, it's on you.

I assume this sort of pressure happens a lot less with pilots because of the cost of screw ups but there's still probably some implied pressure there.


The only thing silly is comparing the construction industry to the airline industry. Construction is pretty notorious for openly encouraging unsafe work environments, airlines are not.

Airlines are much more tightly bound by the FAA than any construction company is to any regulatory agency. Airlines have to get permission to let their pilots read documents off an iPad instead of paper, for example. It just isn't a good comparison to compare the most safety aware industry on earth to one famous for ignoring safety rules.

I've worked construction. I have a pilots license in multiple countries (including the US). They aren't the same.


Pilot gets more veto power than the crane guy who gets more veto power than the residential concrete crew but they all still get talked to if they can't get their jobs done.

I didn't say the same. I said the pressure was probably there too. But you can construe it as the former because that's a way easier thing to argue with.


Fair enough.

I assume that since the NTSB database makes every single incident investigation public you can point to at least one instance where an ATP was pressured into avoiding a go around?


Specifically avoid a go around? IDK.

Commit to an action that ultimately caused a crash because they wanted to achieve ancillary goals (e.g. not be late)? Tons.

They call this "get-there-itis" (makes me feel so dirty trotting out buzzwords like that).


I mean... The problem is common enough that there are industry specific terms to describe it. Go search that database for "commercial pressure" and I'm certain you'll find what your sealioning self is demanding from everyone else.

0 results for the search term “commercial pressure” within full narratives or synopsis on Ntsb.gov. https://www.ntsb.gov/Pages/ResultsV2.aspx?queryId=dc2a25cf-b...

Can you point me to one of the specific incidents you are citing since both the new search and the old search seem to be broken for that specific term?

Edit: just to be clear: I’m not saying that companies don’t pressure transportation workers into bad decisions. My original supposition is that I have never heard of, nor would it make any sense, for a US airline to have a policy of avoiding go arounds. “Land rhe plane on the first try, or else…” is an exceptionally stupid policy.


There is one thing an airline never wants to have happen and it is a fatal accident. Everything else is secondary. Having one caused by corporate policy would lead to mass exodus of passengers.

21Air isn't a passenger airline though, it's cargo. It's conceivable that they have lower standards, hire less experienced pilots, and just don't emphasize safety culture in the same way that passenger airlines do.

> It's conceivable that they have lower standards, hire less experienced pilots, and just don't emphasize safety culture in the same way that passenger airlines do.

In German railways there is a saying "Fracht motzt nicht, Fracht kotzt nicht" - freight neither complains nor vomits.

I would not be surprised at all to find this kind of attitude in air freight transportation too.


I taught a basic html course for elementary kids 5 years ago.

The first thing I had to teach was files folders and desktops. For many of them, Chrome was synonymous with computer.

I didn’t expect anyone to know DOS like I did at that age, but was a little shocked that “Save your file to the desktop” was gibberish to them


But we already know that they can make a smaller iPhone with everything.

The iPhone 6 was a decade ago and was smaller in all dimensions than an iPhone 17 and had a perfectly acceptable battery life. Since then, they have removed headphone jacks and buttons, batteries have gotten more power dense, chips have gotten more efficient, etc.


They used to be able to. I don't think they can anymore. The iPhone 6 was 3 years after Jobs died. Apple's corporate/engineering culture has had 12 additional years to rot since then. If the Scott Forstall situation, Chris Lattner situation, etc, tells you anything, it's that Apple cannot make basic, common-sense tradeoffs anymore. All they can do is copy whatever the wider industry is doing.

All of the excuses people are coming up with in these comments are just that: excuses. Look at the sibling comment by musictubes, for example. Citing these ethereal "critics" and "most people" when in reality Walt Mossberg was the only critic whose opinion mattered.

Occam's Razor: The Innovator's Dilemma. It's a rotting, bloated megacorp with too much to lose, that doesn't take risks, and can't change direction. The direction it's in is "bigger phones", for whatever reason. So we're gonna keep getting bigger phones. It's that simple.


It’s the camera and Face ID. The camera on the iPhone 6 is nowhere near as capable current cameras. Even the much improved camera on the last iPhone SE was considered a huge issue by most people. Cameras are too important to go back to something that thin. The current Air is leaps and bounds better in every way to the iPhone 6 but it doesn’t sell. Why? The battery life and camera. Imagine shrinking the iPhone Air and having even less battery life. Critics would howl and even fewer people would buy it.

Smaller phones can’t fit as much stuff in them as larger phones. Shrink the phone and something has to give. People in the aggregate do not want to make those compromises unless the price is noticeably less. But then it can’t have any of the premium features that are expected from Apple. Small phones are compromises that don’t pay off for Apple.


We’ve come close to doubling battery capacity per volume in that time.

The battery was the single largest module by a long shot in an iPhone 6, and now you can get the same capacity in a much smaller volume. We’ve also lost other bulky items like the home button and headphone jack.

The camera on the current gen has its own expanded volume area of the case, so I don’t buy that they couldn’t just use the same hump they use on literally all of their phones. Sure Face ID is new, but I’ve seen the size of that module, and it is only slightly larger than the selfie camera from back then that it replaced.


Reading this on my 6s, and it’s still great.

Is there a standard that these cars have to meet?

Really there should be an obstacle course of some kind based on the most common anomalies leading to accidents. Partially obscured road signs, worn paint markings, obscured sight lines caused by dense parking, driving on a snowed over surface, etc.


There's no legislated standard in the US, nor pre-sale verification that a vehicle has met most of the other automotive standards. That's just not how the US regulatory environment works.

There's the beginnings of a standard for L2/L3 vehicles in Europe, and ongoing discussions about what L4 standards could look like, but neither addresses "adversarial" situations.


China is going for what's sometimes called "L3.5" - hands off wheel, eyes off road, driver may have to take over if alerted, but if the driver doesn't, the vehicle must safely stop and pull over if possible.

The trouble with "driver assistance" systems is the handoff to the driver. That's not reliable. Results from the aviation community indicate that it takes about ten seconds after an autopilot disconnect before the pilot has stable control of the aircraft. "L3.5" accepts that. The < 2 second response required by some L2 systems does not.


Such a standard for motor vehicles would result in the loss of licensing for a large majority of Americans. Most people would fight against such testing standards as a condition for driving on public roads. It might not be a bad idea. I just don’t think it’s feasible.

Real world data results are so much more important than an obstacle course to overfit for.

While I would like to see that just for the data, from a regulatory standpoint all we really need are the manufacturers being liable in a crash if their cars were driving. The insurance savings of their cars being safer will create the incentive they need.

If it’s anything like my San Francisco DMV driving test, they did a loop around Fell and Oak St (both one way streets with no opposing traffic).

I passed because I didn’t kill anyone in the span of eight blocks.


Please don’t tie up emergency dispatchers by using them like a receptionist.

You can just google the number.


How do you know what number to even Google if it's not where you immediately live?

The same way you would find out how to call literally any place that you don’t currently know the number for.

What world do you live in where you need to make a non emergency call to the local police, but can’t just google “PLACE NAME police non emergency phone”?

Most people don’t know the police non emergency line for where they DO live, so you can safely just use the same procedure you use at home for phone number discovery when you are away from home. If you don’t have that dialed in, google can help you there too. It’s a fantastic place to learn all sorts of basic life skills.


It's not that simple. When you're away from home, how do you know the exact jurisdiction to lookup? And if it's not a police related matter, what non-emergency phone would you even look up? Plenty of metro areas have a bunch of interlocking municipalities, or if you're out in a rural area it can be hard to know which township is the right one. Prior to finding out about 311 (which might not be right?), I'd have no idea.

It really is that simple. I google local phone numbers while traveling all the time. Sometimes I have a problem where I’m not sure who can even help solve a problem, and google can help there too. I just googled “what to do if there is a branch on a power line” and google told me what signs would require a 911 call and also gave me the phone number for the correct utility in my current location.

It’s not an emergency, take your time and figure it out since timeliness is not extremely important. Google exists, phone books exist. You also don’t have to get it right on the first call, you can call the wrong people and they might know the right people to call. In fact, that happened to me when the water main broke on a Sunday near my house. I called the fire department non emergency line and they said to call the water department. I called the city water department, but they said I was in an area handled by the county. I called the county water department and they sent someone out. The first two calls cost me less than 5 minutes, and the people I spoke to at the wrong agencies were kind and helpful.

When I’m away from home, it really isn’t any different. I just change the name from “(town where I live) police non emergency line” to “(place I currently am) non emergency line” when I google things. Alternatively, turn on location services on your phone and you don’t have to put the place, google will figure it out for you.


It's the same people as non emergency line

Not everywhere. And in the places that is true, 911 gets priority in the queue.

If it’s not an emergency, there is no reason to call 911.


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