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2 - is a little pedantic, they used agent orange to kill foliage to kill people...

They didn't gas people with chlorine or mustard, but they mass destroyed crops and foliage, to kill people.

And "affected US troops as much as Vietnamese" is just completely incorrect, US covered a nation in herbicide, went home, got cancer. Is completely different then having your soil destroyed for decades.


> is a little pedantic, they used agent orange to kill foliage to kill people...

Is a wheel a weapon because a tank uses it? I wouldn't consider the difference pedantry.


tanks have very much run over people to kill them. a wheel can very much be used as a weapon.

It does look like the general consensus is agent orange is not a chemical weapon, or at least was not used as one.

Then convert from HTML to markdown before you convert to tokens? It's not rocket science, if markdown is "better" stripping all possible HTML tags and leaving just text, images also works. That is more then likely what any automated "serve markdown on the fly" would end up doing.


42C and 100% would be a humidex of 81~ that would be every animal at that location instantly dying.


Or as we called it growing up in Missouri: “summer”.

I exaggerate. Slightly.


Exactly! Proper wet heat. /s


Let's be real here, Apple does not have to compete with AI for fab capacity, they can outbid anyone if they want. They have more money and longer contracts then anyone else. Apple customers will just end up paying for said DRAM price inflation.

The ones who will actually suffer is Apple 2.0 (presumably a different competing company), start ups, research, companies that are not worth trillions.


I get flagged way more often on Starlink then I did on my local ISP fiber.


It's the odd latency changes. You'll see the same thing with certain streaming services.


I've seen it happen with a grocery store website, oddly enough.


There is nothing stopping a bot from moving their cursor like a human. This is basically just putting up a door with zero walls and telling people to stay out of your house.

All of these things are completely abusable/bypass-able and just annoying for actual humans who trigger flags.


> There is nothing stopping a bot from moving their cursor like a human.

Sure, we could write a library that slows the bot down and makes it move the cursor in procedurally-generated curves with a certain degree of noise added... but its all extra work, and it all slows the bots down. Presumably they wouldn't reveal that part of the secret sauce if it was all of the secret sauce


Acting like a human is something scapers already do. Using residential proxies, using latest Chrome user agents, not moving/typing as fast, etc. This is just 1 more layer, moving mouse naturally.


And at some point they'll just use slave labor in some country with lax laws around all that.

I'm not sure if I'm talking about the scrapers or Cloudflare at this point. Probably both. Probably the same pool of forced laborers.


A return to the "Mechanical Turk".

I remember using Amazon's Mechanical Turk for just this purpose a decade ago.

With other players in the gig economy really squeezing the workers at the bottom of the system, it could easily get to a point where sitting in front of a computer performing tasks allocated by AI which needs a meat puppet to get around AI-powered Anti-AI might become economically attractive.


there are already stuff to trick mouse movement profiling, since its used by other bot protection stuff.


Google Chrome tells me it's like 14 different things. How is that any different then DeepSeek saying it is Claude?


Because nothing bad happened to you, therefore nothing bad happens?


I see your reductio ad absurdum and counter you with its exact inverse:

Because something bad has happened at some point to someone somewhere, you personally must take precautions against it happening to you?

Do you intend to modify your behavior, spending habits, or thought patterns to reduce the risk of catching mad cow disease? Oh, no? So you're saying mad cow disease doesn't exist?

But mad cow disease has a documented casualty count and data breaches do not. So actually, you're being irrational if you care about and take measures to mitigate the one but not the other.

Now that we've established that you are rationally obligated to mitigate the risk of mad cow disease, I have some guaranteed Definitely Not Placebo[^TM]-brand pills to sell you.

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If you find this counterargument spurious, absurd, or unfair, then I have a proposal for you: let's both agree that reduction to absurdity benefits no one, and try to talk reasonably in the middle ground between extremes.


> you personally must take precautions against it happening to you?

Well, yes, in the sense I vote for rational politicians rather than raving single issue lunatics.

The problem here is you latch on to the most absurd example, where the actual farmers raising cattle are the ones expected to avoid mad cow disease because there is an actual cost to them (slaughtering their entire herd). The analogy here would be businesses having to protect their customers data or suffer consequences, which they generally don't.

Now, if you're a deer hunter the responsibility now returns to you. If you shoot some janky ass deer and eat it you might find your brain full of holes in a decade. Again, the analogy here would be using some sketch ass card reader, or hell, using an ATM in a part of town where you get mugged.


Agreed on all points. I was presenting a deliberately bad argument in order to make the meta-point that arguments like it are unhelpful.


Don't know why people keep parroting this, this is incorrect. Chinese electricity prices are equal or slightly cheaper then most of North America. But significant pockets such as those around the Quebec or other hydro plants are significantly cheaper then Chinese power pricing.

Not only that, China may subsidize AI, but so does the US.


China averages 7¢/kWh, almost 1/3 of the US average at 19¢/kWh.

My rates (before PG&E were forced to concede) were as high as 49¢/kWh, a 7x factor.

These are residential rates and not industrial ones, but I hope my point is clear.

China has very cheap power compared to the US, there's a reason why they had to ban bitcoin to get rid of miners.


Quebec has lower rates then 7¢/kWh at data center / wholesale level. Quebec spot market runs negative sometimes, apparently. And Oklahoma has cheap power, and probably other places. Not sure your utility bill is the place to get accurate numbers.

    "Mean wholesale electricity prices in 2024 were lowest in SPP ($27.87/MWh), the Southeast ($29.72/MWh), and Southern California ($29.95/MWh), and highest in the Northwest ($59.98/MWh)."
https://www.ferc.gov/sites/default/files/2025-03/25_State-of...

If my math is right, divide those by 10 for cents per kWh


Okay interesting. I presume that China also has low cost areas too no? Their grid at least seems more stable. Datacenter construction is more likely to raise prices in the US than there.


China's grid has had some serious issues over the past decade that didn't get widely reported for all the reasons you can think of. Some of them were exasperated by poor planning and censorship making it hard to hold anybody accountable. Not to say that they don't/didn't eventually work on it, but there was a widely held belief that the people at the top weren't even aware of the issue until foreign firms were directly impacted. This is not to say they can't or won't expand come hell or high water, though.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-58733193 https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/china-power-cuts-1.6193281


Western china has abundant clean energy but only limited grid connections to send it east. The problem is that they simply don't have much water. The US is similar (places with abundant green energy lack water, even dam-heavy Washington state has this issue in the east part of the state).


On hackers news a technology focused platform where custom weird languages thrive. You're complaining about a company who the original developer made their own language.

Isn't this exactly how all of the other languages where created?


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