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Modernist builds aren't really cheaper.


Since the topic is preference qua aesthetics, your "point" wasn't analogous.

It wasn’t meant to be analogous.

> These are some prominent Effect Altruism guys

https://www.chalmermagne.com/about

I don't see the link with Chalmers. I know Wiblin is.


> benefits like reducing pollution

Not over burying the waste, as mentioned in the article. And, it has the added externality of using more energy... leading to more pollution.


Littering is mostly cans, disposable cups and food-related containers; not bags straight from the grocery store.


How old are you?

I can remember when there would be drifts of these bags caught in fence lines, trees, sewer grates etc.

Before bag bans there were SO MANY of these things everywhere.

There’s a whole scene about the beauty of plastic shopping bags in “American Beauty” in 1996. The whole point was finding beauty in something that was so common that you walk by it every day.


The article goes over this. Plastic in oceans is from east asian countries without a good municipal waste system, not from developed countries.


Fixing the municipal waste system seems like the "add another system" school of engineering. As someone who works in poorly organized, poorly funded projects, I generally subscribe more to the "remove the problematic part of the existing system" school.

Getting rid of single-use wherever possible removes the broken part. I agree that we should also add more systems like proper waste disposal, but it's more complexity to count on.


That's how I roll, but I also have a couple of sandboxed apps like MS Auth that I sideloaded. I learned last year that, not shockingly, major sports venues now require showing digital tickets for entry, but thus far it's been possible to access them with a browser.


Earlier this year, I went to a concert that required the Ticketmaster app. I searched desperately for an option to print off a paper ticket, but didn't find one. I enabled the Google Play features in GrapheneOS to install it, and I hated the Ticketmaster app experience the entire time. (Concert was great though)

P.S. Stop sideloading apps. Don't use Big Tech vocabulary for something that we did before. You installed the app, regardless of how you did it.


FWIW you can just about always pick them up will-call. Ticketmaster will tell you this is impossible, but the venue always has a way around it, for in case you lose/drop your phone, etc. And it helps reinforce to the venue that ticketmaster is not perfect.

Call the venue directly to verify ahead of time.


It's funny, because extreme poverty rates as defined by the UN have been decimated in the last century, and continue to drop, because of growth qua capitalism.

You're reflecting the populist notion that wealth is zero-sum. If that were true we'd still be in caves fighting over sticks. The average quality of life has skyrocketed in the last century alongside growth, and there's no non-capitalist country now or in history that's been an enviable place for average people to live.


Why post this thought-terminating cliche when the the great-grandparent comment already addresses it?


It doesn't. Thought terminating clichés are rhetorical devices, I pointed out what real world data reflects. You're free to actually address it unless you want to redefine poverty to suit vibes.


Their wealth is more contingent on our consumption than employment status. If that goes, then you're looking at a zero-sum society where no new wealth is generated.

Ultimately people will remain enterprising status-seekers. Rich people can already sit around with their wealth doing fuck-all excepting consuming, and they don't.


> Their wealth is more contingent on our consumption than employment status.

Is it? Or is it dependent on the consumption of someone much greater than you.

For example: I was reading something the other day about dining experiences in Las Vegas. Really though, the video was about how recently Vegas has abandoned the traditional middle class patrons in favor of providing experiences to a smaller, but much wealthier clientele. This seems to be a trend across many industries. In some cases your consumption is even a cost center to be eliminated in favor of a more successful customer base.


lol well the majority of the top 1% globally didn't make their fortune serving food, to other wealthy patrons no less (how's that for circular reasoning). We're in a consumer society, B2B sales is a thing but it's a side-effect of that.


They wealthy will be buying islands (as big as Australia) get high on cocaine and do safari, shooting humans there as the ultimate fun [1]. The prey underestimates how the mind of predator works, and that's why it is a prey.

[1]: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3epygq5272o


Predator and prey dynamics typically cross outside of classifications like species and are not inter-species like what is suggested here.

It can be easy to mistake a parasitic relationship for a predatory one.


That would also not be an inter-species relationship.


In a post-scarcity society, having a meagre policy to keep people alive and not-unruly is cheap. It's also getting way ahead of ourselves, since it's nowhere in sight. Software hiring was up this year.


Not really. The planet is crowded, currently with mostly productive members of society.

For the ultra rich psychos who run the show, do you really think they want poor people hanging around? When we can be wiped out in a few months?

Consider the pure greed Donald Trump is displaying. Now imagine that the 1000 most powerful people are the same, except they are smart enough to at least not rub it in peoples faces on live television.

They hate you, and want you dead.


Motivated reasoning. You want to believe it.

> do you really think they want poor people hanging around?

Which by your rationale would include everyone who isn't rich (and tautologically would mean "no one is rich anymore"). They do not care whether we're hanging around, the same way they do not care now whether poor people exist. It has no bearing. All that does is whether they remain rich and powerful, and last I checked, that's relative. Being the only one left on the planet won't make you feel rich, and there being poors on a piece of land won't have any bearing on you.

> When we can be wiped out in a few months?

Lol

Also, on the population front, growth is poised to completely stall in less than 100 years. The fertility rate is terrible in developed countries, and falling quickly in developing ones as they get richer


want to believe it? mon ami have you looked at any labor history?

they used to send 9 year olds to the mines. mortality rates were as high as 50% before they turned 20.

why do you think the AI robber barons are any nicer? it is painfully obvious they're not. and all of this is set to a backdrop of global ecological collapse.


> they used to send 9 year olds to the mines

Yeah, at the advent of the industrial revolution. And prior to that 80% of people had to work the land, with no ammonia, just horses and manure.

Labor conditions from over a century ago, before the laws were written, have no bearing on whether wealthy people would try their best to kill you "just because". That's nonsensical.

"Nice" has nothing to do with it.


The only reason any of us can read is because industrialists a long time ago decided we would be more productive if we would. The labour standards in the US today established by FDR and the New Deal were done under duress, with a very popular effectively holding a gun to the ownership class's head. They've been working to claw it all back ever since.

The whole reason trillions are being spent on AI and not making thing better for little people is because we don't want to have to depend on them anymore for anything... you know, so we can get rid of them. Having 8 billion people alive at once is a huge liability.


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