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I like the look of this - and it's a problem that we're thinking about right now at work.

But, the pricing of this is .. really high .. - starting at $5k / month? I'd find that difficult to justify.


Hey, thanks! I'm wondering if it's clear from our website that this is the price of a fully managed service, not just access to a platform or reports. Think of an SEO agency model.

This thread prompted me to go and find out what my first computer was -- I have vague memories of it.

Turns out, it was a Sega SC-3000H, back before Sega decided it was a console company. Also, interestingly, it was really only popular in NZ/Aus (I grew up in NZ).

I have very clear memories of spending hours copying BASIC code of games, line-by-line from the monthly Sega magazine into the BASIC editor, playing it for 15 minutes, then everything dissapearing when I restarted it.

I was always envious of my friend who had a C64, but that Sega was a great little machine.


Yep, it was a "pre-MSX" like a couple of other machines like the Spectravideo SV-328... My first computer was a Casio PB100 (with the 1.5KB extension, so much memory! :D ), then the Sony HB75 (an MSX).

Hello fellow MSXian! I got started with Spectravideo SV-728 (and all those fantastic Konami games that it had)

My dad came home with a 2nd hand spectravideo sv-328 and it got me started as well. It had a book of basic programs that I could never really get working. A year or so later we got an Amiga 500 and I really learnt a lot about computers using that. I've been working a personal project that replaces the A500s 68k CPU with a FPGA.

Slightly OT - but what's the process for training an LLM to author a new language like this proficiently?

I ask because I have my own language I maintain, and we're currently prompt-stuffing to get LLM's to author it - but I wonder what type of training set you'd need, and what base image one would use to fine-tune a model, and how effective it'd be?


FYI - I tried visiting your site. In Chrome (tested in Incognito as well), I get a massive white space at the top, with a vertical scroll. If I scroll far enough, I see the site.

Worked fine in Firefox.


very strange - Ill pass it on to the team managing the landing page.

I tried reproducing and was unable to, both in chrome and safari.

Thanks for the heads up!


I have no problems at all with the website on ffx iphone, but I think they forgot the pricing page ;)


Any background / context around what the Chicory author means in this comment?

> We'll consider merging in changes that make sense from Endive, but under the stewardship of the [Byte Code Alliance] I have very little faith in its future. My words mean nothing though having all but completely lost interest and use for WebAssembly.

What's the background / history of Byte Code Alliance?


Not everyone is on board with CORBA but with WebAssembly, which is basically what the reboot of the component model is, so probably that.

The AssemblyScript folks have a similar opinion.


yeah that is roughly the concern, many runtimes didn't want to continue on past wasip1, mostly because of the component model.


The comment is from the Dylibso CEO.


I wonder if they'll talk about AI?


It's the free square on the bingo card



I could see this image in my mind before I clicked on it, before even consciously considering what it might be. Is this how an LLM feels on the inside?


It was the image in my mind when I made the bingo joke. Maybe we are living in a simulation.


Maybe Google will finally launch a working coding agent


Antigravity seemed to work well at first, but the same model on the same software now seems to fail to edit most files most of the time, and then get itself tied in knots trying to resolve the error by editing files with awk, sed, grep, etc!


Yup. “Wait, let me circle back and fix this another way.”

What they can never fix is that plenty of Pro users complain that they never get quota, models are always maxed out. I left, and I can’t believe how much time I wasted in AGY steering Gemini or reminding it that no, you can’t install random new dependencies or disable tests.


I cant see how they could. The Gemini cli repo was a shit show the last time I looked a month ago and the service itself wouldnt even let me use version > 2.5 even though I was a paying customer.


I think they just need to unleash more agents on it to get the ball rolling. any day now...


Gemini CLI works.

It's not the favorite, but it's definitely "working."


It's constantly overloaded and shits the bed. Gemini is so awful, it feels like a GPT-3.5 era model that fails to make basic tool calls.


Maybe I'm on a different plan or something.

> It's constantly overloaded and shits the bed

Or happen avoid all the downtime.

Claude has one 9 of uptime, downtime for me multiple times per week. [1] When it works, it's great. It just doesn't work that often recently.

[1] https://status.claude.com/


UPDATE: Claude down again.


I'm on Google AI Pro


What are you expecting for $20/month?


A model that I can use? I'm on a trial plan but this doesn't convince me to pay for it for real. The 20$ plan for Codex and Claude just works and I get stuff done.


Not my experience at all


I honestly don't know what I expected, but wow it really is just only ai


“AI is all you need.”


the question is whether they will talk about anything apart from AI lol


That was the joke.


It's two slightly different jokes right? The parent comment joke is essentially stating "they are definitely going to talk about AI a lot" and the second joke is stating "they are not going to talk about anything besides AI", which are similar but technically different.


AGI now surely!


ML + AGI = GMAIL


Don't give them the idea, before too long they'll retire the email part so you could use it to train agents and use AI in your workflows by leveraging Artificial Google Intelligence (AGI)


The reason they named it as AntiGravIty was based on this. The cli command to launch it is agi


Generative Machine Answering Inbox Lovingly


And yet it still cannot really figure out message threading


Turing award winner right here lol too good


That's so 2025 according to Sam Altman though.


ASI now. You'd think contrasted with AGI it would be Artificial Specialized Intelligence, but it's Artificial Super Intelligence. Since AGI already happened and didn't mean anything, the next step is a super AI.


I still want the normal definition of AGI... Which my understand is: no more re-training, real time memory and re-learning. The fact they cannot fit a lot of context, or step into "we no longer need to train it" territory tells me, they're farther than they keep pretending they're close to.


Oh yeah? My dad works on a super duper AI. It's much better than a super AI.


Yeah well my dad works ar Nintendo where they have AI that will blow you while doing your taxes


That's nothing compared to my (L)udicrously (O)verpowered (L)earner AI.


Mine works on a Super Dee Duper AI!


I don't have any LSP's hooked up to CC yet (going to fix that today), or particularly sophisticated CLAUDE.md files.

So, if I've read this post correctly, that means that CC is navigating my codebase today by sending lots of it up to a model, and building an understanding. Is that correct? Did I misunderstand it?

I kinda suspected there was more local inference going on somehow -- partly because the iteration times are fairly fast.


I think that's correct. Which is kinda funny, I remember 10y ago that I was heavily relying on IntelliJ features to understand new codebases (jump to definition, find all usages of a function, navigate from SQL to the table in database tab etc.).

It turns out, that for a machine, find and grep is all that's required.


Agents use find+grep because it's available everywhere and without any configuration, but they would still be more efficient with LSP. Once LSPs will be more easily configurable for agents, they will use them.


A human could get by with just find and grep too. And in both cases, find and grep will be slower and less precise than an IDE's code navigation features.


Impressive benchmarks!


> Rebuilding Coinbase as an intelligence, with humans around the edge aligning it.

Oof. That smacks of hubris and valley-buzzwordism.

> Leaders will own much more, with as many as 15+ direct reports.

> Every leader at Coinbase must also be a strong and active individual contributor.

So, a manager who's managing 15 people AND expected to ship -- that sounds awful for both sides.


> So, a manager who's managing 15 people AND expected to ship

Right?? I saw that too. My first thought is that any good managers left will be racing for the exit. You can't fake "managing 15 people" with AI. You have to actually have the 1:1s and do the performance calibrations. How are they going to have time left for IC work??


They'll have to reduce these 1:1s and any formal meetings to a minimum (e.g. once a quarter), and deal less with career growth and people conflicts.

They'll switch to async communications for everything, and ideally have a bot that answers Mm-humm like a psychologist on his chair.

More seriously, the solution is to move to a flatter org, but that's a drastic change with unknown consequences for most companies.


As a manager with 10-15 reports at a company you've probably heard of, I think the main question is how much they will need to contribute. I put up a PR or three a week, usually in non-critical path flows or system support, and its honestly fine. I could barely contribute to the productivity level of even one of my junior engineers, but I can debug production issues and ship code AND be a good manager (with a decent work life balance).

I feel like managers should be able to contribute. Managing a good team isn't that hard, though managing a bad team (or a good team in the midst of a ton of bad processes) is a nightmare.


I think you'll have to work it out with your peers and collaborate... we here at $BigCo believe in individual ownership of the process.


"IC work" seems to have evolved at Coinbase to mean "supervise AI changes". Then the question becomes how will managers actually review these changes and not just press accept at 3:50.


I assume they will have absurd metrics, like number of commits and token use to,determine how good of an IC you are. So, you start a bunch of agents in the background, merge their PRs without review, while having 1:1 and other meetings with your team. Productivity they call it


Yikes. That's bad leadership at that top all around. But we already knew that when they announced layoffs. No good leader lays people off.


> manager who's managing 15 people AND expected to ship

Notable is what they're not doing--annual reviews. This duty is now handled by the all seeing "intelligence" machine that can evaluate employees in real-time.


Darkly funny that Armstrong's Twitter bio still reads "Creating more economic freedom in the world" when he has relegated humans to "the edge" of his own organization in favor of the pseudointelligent pseudogod.

Freedom for who, exactly? Coinbase's executives, I suppose.


OT - but Bhatti looks really cool! Well done!


Thank you :)


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