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What do you think Tesla has been doing this for so long?

Busting unions, discriminating against black employees, and funding Musk’s virulent white supremacy.

Lying and they still are.

This is incredibly sad, with google you can atleast use the argument that search was free (which is still weak IMO). But with OAI collecting indiscriminate data on paying customers is just incredibly sad.

The ads are the product that people are paying for. “Consumer” AI is currently marketed as agents that book restaurants for you, buy cat food before you run out, organize your travel, etc. etc. These are targeted ads for a particular restaurant, pet store, airline, etc. Some people find this desirable.

You can pay for whatever Google service and they still collect this data. Same with meta subscription.

With paid services, Google generally does not collect. Or at least you can opt out of collection, email scanning, etc.

I work at GDM and this is not at all true, 3.7 is markedly different (and better) than 3.6.


Any robot that does this reliably is easily more than a decade away.


Did you mean that to sound distant? Because my reading is that if we have robots reliably doing these sorts of delicate tasks in a decade or two, it would be amazingly revolutionary and disruptive to the economy.


A decade for this kind of robot seems very optimistic. The latest one being prototyped in Japan can roll you on your side and help you out on socks.

Cleaning your ass or helping you shower is magnitudes more sensitive and complex


What's the gap between a fancy bidet with all the bells and whistles and the robot that doesn't exist yet? Showering is obviously harder.


Yet the insurance industry has been exploiting the elderly by selling Robot Insurance for decades.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4Gh_IcK8UM


As long as it hits before my kids have to wipe my elderly ass I’m golden.


I mean, they kind of owe it to us.

I changed a lot of diapers.


I would rather servicing five babies than one adult. Adults are heavier. Also. babies are born sterile, whatever infection they can have on them comes from the adults. Finally, you watch a baby grow stronger, while I (we) deteriorate. (That affects the caregiver morale)


Yes in fact I was doing humour not real commentary. I never had a problem with changing diapers. I never hated it and I did it lovingly and willingly. Even as a kid with my (10 year younger) baby brother.

Adult diapers and/or even just the general process of dealing with parents in their physically declining phase is a whole other story. I also know all about this.


Bring a human being into this dystopia without asking them, and then demand something off them. You’re a great parent.


Thanks, I do my best.


It depends, really.


I think we’re soon going to see a magical ChatGPT like moment for physical outputs. For instance, Figure’s Helix is only a 10M parameter NN. Once we get into the Billions we will start seeing leaps in progress just like LLMs.


Ivan Sutherland predicted the Holodeck in 1965:

https://www.quora.com/?qv_src=email

>Q: Can an “AI command line” replace the GUI as the primary user experience for computers, assuming the technology improves and irrespective of today’s state?

>A: Alan Kay -- Still trying to learn how to think better (May 26, 2026)

>The “related questions” have interesting slants — some of which make more or less sense.

>I think most people should be able to answer this for themselves if they look at this from a number of different angles.

>One is that we have multiple ways of “perceiving”, “knowing”, “learning”, etc. — for example by touch, sound, vision, symbolic representations, abstract languagues, etc. Besides inventing interactive computer graphics, Ivan Sutherland pointed out (in a famous 1964 paper) that “the ultimate display” should be able to do every kind of I/O that humans can do and experience. His famous last line with typical Ivan humor was “In the ultimate display, a simulated bullet would be fatal to its operator”!

[...]

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The Ultimate Display -- Ivan E. Sutherland (Jan 1, 1965)

https://scispace.com/papers/the-ultimate-display-35zd3b9ucp

>TL;DR: The authors live in a physical world whose properties they have come to know well through long familiarity but lack corresponding familiarity with the forces on charged particles, forces in non-uniform fields, the effects of nonprojective geometric transformations, and high-inertia, low friction motion.

>Abstract: We live in a physical world whose properties we have come to know well through long familiarity. We sense an involvement with this physical world which gives us the ability to predict its properties well. For example, we can predict where objects will fall, how well-known shapes look from other angles, and how much force is required to push objects against friction. We lack corresponding familiarity with the forces on charged particles, forces in non-uniform fields, the effects of nonprojective geometric transformations, and high-inertia, low friction motion.

>A display connected to a digital computer gives us a chance to gain familiarity with concepts not realizable in the physical world. It is a looking glass into a mathematical wonderland. Computer displays today cover a variety of capabilities. Some have only the fundamental ability to plot dots. Displays being sold now generally have built in line-drawing capability. An ability to draw simple curves would be useful. Some available displays are able to plot very short line segments in arbitrary directions, to form characters or more complex curves. Each of these abilities has a history and a known utility.

[...]

>The ultimate display would, of course, be a room within which the computer can control the existence of matter. A chair displayed in such a room would be good enough to sit in. Handcuffs displayed in such a room would be confining, and a bullet displayed in such a room would be fatal. With appropriate programming such a display could literally be the Wonderland into which Alice walked.


From your early point -- both 1) and 2) are true. True human level dexterity is ver far (few decades surely), it would require further advancements in hardware, learning approaches etc. Recent approaches provide a glimmer of hope and maybe we can have some intermediate robots -- to be honest even waymo's and tesla's are robots and we will see much more of such robots with vision, working with humans etc. in narrow settings - chinese dancing robots are examples of this.


here is a real video of a unitree robot playing ping pong https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOfPKW6D3gE


how do you know this is a better model? I wouldn't take any of the numbers at face value especially when all they have done is more/better post-training and thus the base pre-trained model capabilities is still the same. The model may just elicit some of the benchmark capabilities better. You really need to spend time using the model to come to any reliable conclusions.


This is probably very similar to what happened!


the problem here is that text as the communication interface is not good for this. the model should be reasoning in the pose space (and generally in more geometric spaces), then interpolation and drawing is pretty easy. I think this will happen in some time.


Locomotion and manipulation are pretty different. The former we know how to do well -- this is what you see in unitree videos. Manipulation still not so much. This is not at all like GPT-2 because we still don't know what to scale (and even the data to scale is not there).


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