Yes.

Let's say it was critical for the business, with no viable alternatives? I'm all for "find a way or make one" but there are times when you need to be more practical than dogmatic.

Would love to hear your thoughts

Sometimes in business you ultimately and unavoidably have to eat shit, so it is what it is. But you should strive to be someone who doesn’t have to eat shit, and until then, if you still gotta eat shit, then try not to make a habit of it.

Well said :)

Well, if you start accepting eating shit in a new way you’re only fooling yourself you won’t accept it again.

> Let's say it was critical for the business, with no viable alternatives?

If its that critical for you why are you rolling the dice on a general email and ... waiting for an email back and forth? Something so important as a vender "license" deciding if your company succeeds or fails should not rely on an email sent to an address pulled on their website.

Find a contact, a human, drive (or fly) to their office and make an in-person appointment, show they are important to you. Otherwise that game of AI email tag should be more than enough to tell both parties just how not serious the whole thing is.

This might be dogmatic, but I genuinely don’t care. Outside of the business not caring enough to get a human to respond, I just don’t want to give money to people using LLMs. The technology is based off of theft from the working class. It’s the same reason I choose union businesses.

This is why I’ve thought that MCP and LLM access never made sense. You’re moving your users out of your brand and out of product.

Some companies are taking the opportunity to use the MCP server to send messages to the agent that the user won't necessarily see to protest. Agents are generally incredibly gullible and a huge opportunity for this type of thing.

Java has had plugin isolation libraries for decades.

Most of which run the code in a subprocess and use IPC.

Not in my experience

Can they produce decent code at all?

sad days

It’s awful. A ton of words to say absolutely nothing.

I do not understand why anyone would want an LLM to cosplay as them on a forum. I get maybe (selfish) idle curiosity but beyond that…?

I don’t know why anyone just blatantly copies and paste LLM output. Laziness? Anxiety about being wrong? I don’t know.

Well that’s corner cutting/avoiding work so I can see it. But commenting on forums?

I’m building my own OAuth provider. I know there’s a lot of options out there but I’ve built one at work for the last 5 years and I’d like to “do it right”

Whether you use async or blocking calls you’ll still want to keep IO at your edges otherwise you end up with tightly coupled spaghetti.

Yes. In the best possible world AI could enable a much better future, but currently we are on a quite bad trajectory.

Don't you mean mass investment?

> We should be happy that they’re stealing people’s work?

No. We should credit that work is being done that otherwise may not be. I'm not defending OpenAI. I'm defending AI in general, something both OpenAI and Buckmaster (and his co-author) used.

You literally said they _stole_ the work. Why should we give credit to that?

> You literally said they _stole_ the work

No, I did not. If someone says either X or Y happened, they didn't say X happened.

My exact statement: "Either by OpenAI on its own, OpenAI stealing another's work and finishing it or a researcher using AI to iterate more rapidly than a human alone could" [1]. (Either X, Y [a and b] or Z. An Oxford comma could have helped.)

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49671523

So if Y happened (they stole it), why should we be happy about that? Why should we give them credit in the situation where they stole it? Why is that good for society?

No one owns mathematics. It's not covered by IP law.

It's immoral to steal someone's research. Quite sad that you don't believe that.

> Yes, let's lie and call something stealing, then pontificate about morality.

We could also acknowledge that everything that could justifiably be considered stealing is not necessarily covered by current statute.

Sure, we can show anything if we're allowed to make stuff up from personal outrage. Why should anyone else consider your personal opinion on this to have any weight?

Oh no, Mr. Internet Rando, don't scold me!

You seem to be a little sensitive about the subject. Which AI firm do you work for?

And you seem to not realize that your unhinged argument impeaches whatever conclusion you're trying to justify. Good points don't require this sort of slimy misrepresentation.

I don't work for any AI company.

It was inconsiderate and it was also stolen, just like everything else OpenAI has stolen to train their models.