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I’m a conservative (though not “republican”/neocon/neolib/uniparty) and I don’t even know what “project 2025” is. Nor do I know any supporters. As far as I can tell it’s just a smear device along the lines of “when did you stop beating your wife”, or fake “dossier”, or “Russian collusion”.


As another said,

It's completely different from the Steele Dossier. Project 2025 was written by dozens of former Trump administration officials and surrogates, by an organization he has previously outsourced policy to, and largely aligns with what he and his top advisors have said they want to do. He even praised the project before it became well known. But now the name has become toxic so he's trying to distance himself from it, but he hasn't disavowed much of the content.


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DNC operatives like Ben Carson, Peter Navarro, and the Heritage Foundation. Right.


> I don’t even know what “project 2025” is

Then maybe you should actually look up what it is before throwing out a lot of falsehoods and conjecture about it.

> As far as I can tell it’s just a smear device

The smearing is coming from inside the house then. It is written by the people Trump appointed in the past and likely to appoint again. They're proud of their work, they've talked about it a lot.


Nobody knows or cares what it is except the couple of weirdos who wrote it in a basement and people who spend too much time watching certain partisan news TV shows.


Those "couple of weirdos" are Trump's former transition team members, cabinet officials, and leadership of federal government agencies Trump appointed.

If the people writing it are weirdos, well, I guess it would be a big werido who would appoint them to positions of power. Maybe we shouldn't elect someone who would appoint such people to power if these ideas are so distasteful.

And the people who know about are too hooked on partisan TV? Well, Trump certainly knows about them and the work they do. But I do agree he's probably too habitually glued to partisan cable news so much he's spewing weirdo falsehoods at debates.

> The critical job of institutions such as Heritage is to lay the groundwork. And Heritage does such an incredible job at that. And I'm telling you, with Kevin [the president of the Heritage Foundation] and the staff...

- DJT

We should really be questioning Trump's mental acuity when he repeatedly says he doesn't know who Ben Carson or Peter Navarro or Kevin Robers is. He doesn't remember the person he campaigned against eight years ago, the guy he hired to head Housing and Urban Development? He doesn't remember the guy who worked in the Whitehouse for four years closely with him? He doesn't remember the person he's praised many times in the past couple of years?

And yeah, I do agree a lot of people don't really know about Project 2025. It's incredible to me so many people are voting for a party in which they don't know most of the real policy positions of its highest members and thought leaders. If you think the Heritage Foundation has little to no influence in the direction of GOP policy, you haven't been paying attention to the last 40 years.


"Im a scientologist and I dont even know about a bet with Campbell. Nor do I know anybody who read any of Hubbard scifi books"


That’s the thing though. One cannot be a Scientologist without being familiar with Hubbard. Here you’re telling me that this is my Bible and I’ve never heard of it. If it were real, I’d know.


It is obviously real, here's the actual document hosted on the project2025 website: https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FUL...

Most Democrat voters have never read their policy documents, does that mean they don't exist?


It’s “real” in the same way as Steele Dossier was real. Who are these people? How do they relate to Trump? Did he endorse this? Did anyone of any consequence endorse this?


> Who are these people? How do they relate to Trump?

You don't know who Ben Carson is?

Just spend two minutes looking at the author page of the document. Just a few selections:

> Ken Cuccinelli served as Acting Director of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services in 2019 and then, from November 2019 through the end of the Trump Administration, as Acting Deputy Secretary for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

> Rick Dearborn served as Deputy Chief of Staff for President Donald Trump and was responsible for the day-to-day operations of five separate departments of the Executive Office of the President. He also served as Executive Director of the 2016 President-elect Donald Trump transition team. Before that, Rick served in several roles, including as Chief of Staff, in the office of then-U.S. Senator Jeff Sessions (R-AL) for nearly two decades.

> Thomas F. Gilman served as Assistant Secretary of Commerce for Administration and Chief Financial Officer of the U.S. Department of Commerce in the Trump Administration.

> Christopher Miller served in several positions during the Trump Administration, including as Acting U.S. Secretary of Defense, Director of the National Counterterrorism Center, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Special Operations and Combating Terrorism, and Senior Director for Counterterrorism and Trans-national Threats at the National Security Council.

> Peter Navarro holds a PhD in economics from Harvard and was one of only three senior White House officials to serve with Donald Trump from the 2016 campaign to the end of the President’s first term. He was the West Wing’s chief China hawk and trade czar and served as Director of the Office of Trade and Manufacturing Policy and Defense Production Act Policy Coordinator

> William Perry Pendley was born in Cheyenne, Wyoming. He earned a BA and an MA from George Washington University, was a U.S. Marine Corps captain, and earned his JD from the University of Wyoming College of Law. He was an attorney on Capitol Hill, a senior official for President Ronald Reagan, and leader of the Bureau of Land Management for President Donald Trump.

https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FUL...

> Did anyone of any consequence endorse this?

Do you think Trump is a person of consequence?

> Because our country is going to hell. The critical job of institutions such as Heritage is to lay the groundwork. And Heritage does such an incredible job at that. And I'm telling you, with Kevin and the staff, and I met so many of them now, I took pictures with among the most handsome, beautiful people I've ever seen. I didn't like that picture. If you could lose that picture, please would you Kevin? But this is a great… No, he says I won't do that. But this is a great group. And they're going to lay the groundwork and detail plans for exactly what our movement will do and what your movement will do when the American people give us a colossal mandate to save America and that's coming. That's coming. Because nobody can stand what's happening right now. Only a fool, only a fool or somebody that hates our country can like what's happening right now. Never been in this position before and already we know a very big part of our agenda.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-video-project-2025-c...

Project 2025 is this groundwork the Heritage foundation was to lay. Trump says the Heritage Foundation does such an incredible job at laying out the policies.


> If it were real, I’d know.

And yet you can't even bother to check out their website or listen to the leadership of the Heritage Foundation talk about it.


SpaceX was founded in 2002 with help of a CIA agent named Mike Griffin ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Griffin#Career ) who funneled them funding (lots of citations at end of https://archive.ph/D2zIG ). Griffin worked for In-Q-Tel and also was the Deputy of Technology for the Strategic Defense Initiative, later started the Space Development Agency (SDA) which is to become Trump's SDI in 2025.

It was never about Mars. Look into the Mars Society leadership, they were military / Strategic Defense Initiative people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Griffin#Career#:~:t...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Zubrin


Oh lord this made up story again. Your entire posting history is about this. There's no basis in reality for any of it.

You're even citing a grok post from an AI bot as proof.

Griffin was not a CIA agent and was not founded with Griffin's support. Griffin was asked to join the company but he refused. Griffin had no part in getting any funding to SpaceX. Your link is him lying (backed up by zero other sources) to raise his own status and rewrite history in his own favor (he's been on the talk circuit extensively after leaving government).

Mars Society is absolutely about Mars.




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