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This whole situation has been quite eye-opening. Our (the US) government often likes to hold up India as a counter-example to the oppressive regime in China, but in practice, it seems there is little difference.

It is reminiscent of the North Korea vs. South Korea debate, where the US likes to hold up South Korea as an example of how democracy leads to economic success, when in actuality the export-based economic model used to this day by the South was put in place while the country was under a series of brutal US-backed dictatorships that it didn't emerge from for more than 2 decades, when it had already been set on the path to economic success.



> This whole situation has been quite eye-opening.

Indeed.

> Our (the US) government often likes to hold up India as a counter-example to the oppressive regime in China, but in practice, it seems there is little difference.

I think in general India is a bit better than China, but I'm fairly sure that you could move this whole affair to China with very little difference.

The Koreas are one of those scars on the world that will take a century to heal. There are a few others, I have 0 hope that any of them will be resolved within my lifetime. The big losers are the people of those countries used as pawns in a global game of chess that they probably don't even realize is being played.

I would not hold up South Korea as being exemplary in anything particular but they're trying hard to make it work.


> I would not hold up South Korea as being exemplary in anything particular but they're trying hard to make it work.

I think that, their history of dictatorships set aside, South Korea's economic success should be lauded. I can't think of a single other country that has grown so quickly in such a short period of time, despite the odds being against them.

They have little in the way of natural resources, and are a small country. After more than a millennium of being ruled by a backwards monarchy, followed by 36 years of brutal colonization by the Japanese, followed by a horrific proxy war between the US and the Soviets that split the country in two and left it poorer than India and Sub-Saharan Africa, followed by a series of brutal dictatorships, they have managed to become a developed nation with a democratic government. Korean "chaebols" (multinationals), such as Samsung, Hyundai, and LG, have gained worldwide renown, and Korean cultural power abroad (particularly in the rest of Asia) is growing rapidly with each passing year[0].

They certainly received outside help and a lucky confluence of incidents in the global economy, but they have to be given credit for seizing the opportunity. Take a look at this blog post[1] for more info.

There are undoubtedly a lot of issues with Korean society, such as discrimination against women, discrimination against foreigners, really messed up schooling that make students work too hard and crushes their creativity, critical thinking abilities, and individualism (no matter what Obama says about SK's educational system), a general societal tendency towards groupthink, and corruption. But that doesn't invalidate what they've achieved.

0: http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/18/3516562/k-pop-invades-ame...

1: http://askakorean.blogspot.com/2011/02/is-koreas-economy-ove...


I think in general India is a bit better than China, but I'm fairly sure that you could move this whole affair to China with very little difference.

According to http://cpi.transparency.org/cpi2011/results/ it is actually China that is better than India on corruption, but neither has anything to be proud about.

And I agree. This case could easily have happened in China. I suspect that it would have turned out worse there.




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