As Ukraine has shown, a truckload of drones takes out any number of planes, and large chunks of the airfields where those planes are parked.

Oh, and planes need fuel. And large production plants for parts, and huge maintenance hangars.

Right but that works well for a war against your neighbor. Ukraine isn't launching these drones to fly over to the Central African Republic.

Planes also don't fly that far

Which is working so well against Iran, right?

Oh wait, no, the other thing.

Hilarious. You realize the US could nuke and flatten Iran tomorrow, right? Do you imagine that Trump was trying to conquer Iran and just couldn't do it with all the American military power? There is no scenario that Iran wins a war with the USA.

They were trying to overthrow the regime, for the second time in a year, and failed.

> There is no scenario that Iran wins a war with the USA.

It actually depends on what the you the outcome of the war to be: total conquest or regime change.

The US can probably achieve total conquest, but not regime change. They spent 20 years in Iraq and Afghanistan and left there without winning anything, especially in Afghanistan. If they wanted to erase Iraq and Afghanistan, that would have a been a totally different thing.

As with many modern wars, it's hard to say whether the Iraq war was won or lost, because the goals are difficult to discern.

The internet never forgets: you go and find the first speech about why the war was started and look at the outcome. You can then judge for yourself if the war was won or lost. Obviously with all its nuances.

Speeches only show projected intent.

> There is no scenario that Iran wins a war with the USA.

My god man, Vietnam vets are still alive. You can talk with them today. There is no reason to forget all of the lessons of the past.

If the US would truly try to raze Iran, they would do so at immense cost, both financially and reputationally.

I have to wonder what your definition of "winning" is.

Iran has already won the war. There is no scenario that the USA comes out of this situation in a better place than it was before the war started.

By that logic Iran has lost the war too, because they can't possibly come out of this situation in a better place than before the war started, which really was back in October 2022.

Since then Iran's economy has been crushed, government was decapitated (and could be again at a time and place of our choosing), they face a naval blockade that prevents them from selling oil, their military was drastically reduced in size and capability by American bombing, they've made their fellow Arabs in the region very, very angry, and they've come to see that both China and Russia (don't forget, Iran sells drones to Russia to kill Ukrainians) were powerless to come to its aid. Their nuclear program is at best on pause.

Now we can sprinkle in that they've depleted a lot of their munitions, and both Hamas and Hezbollah were nearly destroyed and have become shells of their former selves, resorting to hiding behind children and attacking UN aid convoys.

Just in case you thought Iran was somehow coming out of this situation better than before, the above shows that is unequivocally false.

But hey, yea the US "lost the war".